Great interview with one of the BJJ cult icons. Kurt Osiander. If you’re unaware who this man is then I suggest you check out his “Move of The Week” section on Youtube. Colorful personality and Ralph Gracie black belt, this man believes in a no nonsense style of training. If you ever have the chance to spar with one of the Ralph Gracie San Francisco students’ of Kurt Osiander, you will know their toughness comes from this man.